Vector417***

Vector417
Vector417, who is refered to as "Vec" for short, is the least popular member of the Nation; beating out even GeraldRFord for least tolerated and most annoying member.

This is for a number of reasons, among them:
 * Until posting a pic of himself, Vec acted like and claimed to be a teenager.
 * The above is relevant because he reportedly asked two female Nation users, 17 and 19, for nude photographs of them.
 * Upon hearing this, a user went through the 'Pics of You' thread to see who he was/what he looked like. Imagine his surprise when it turned out he was not a teenager, but in his 30's.
 * Now, while a pedophile is technically someone attracted to prepubescent individuals, a 30+ year old acting like a teenager and asking young girls, one of whom is legally a minor, for nudes, still qualifies one as an online predator.

Neutrality of Claims Debated: The above is seen as only speculation by some as the accusing member will not reveal, per their wishes, the 2 users who made the nude request claim. This is seen as irrelevant by others as questions on the matter posed to Vec were never answered with anything more than dodges and attempts to change the subject. Furthermore, after being called out for not being as young as he pretended to be in light of the pic he posted, he promptly removed it.

Primary reasons the majority of users dislike Vec:
 * He is crazy
 * He is incoherrent
 * He is of severely below average intelligence
 * He spams the boards with the above

Vec's Catch-22: As if a crazy conspiracy theorist who does nothing more than copy+paste other people's work and lace it with non sensical gibberish, and spam this multiple times, isn't bad enough- he fails to realize, even after repeated explanations of this concept, how much more harm than good he is doing to his "cause."

Despite his inability to grasp it, it's actually a very simple concept. Vec is of the currently trendy school of thought that Gerorge W. Bush personally planned, ordered, and orchestrated the attacks of September 11th, 2001 in Ney York on the World Trade Center complex buldings. Holding a view contrary to popular belief is not a bad thing. It does not make one automatically wrong, but it is a slippery slope.

In this instance, this is where the problem arises. If you genuinely think Bush was responsible for 9/11, then it falls upon you to get the word out and present people with your argument. There are two ways to do this:

[1] Calmly and like a rational adult present the available proof with your claims in a coherent manner intended on providing information in a context that will provoke serious and critical thought of the events in question in the hopes that you can get people to comprehend the point you're trying to make.

[2] Disregard the above in its entirety and instead just copy+paste a random selection of stuff other people have come up with and try to pass yourself off as some kind of "truth finder" while posting no points of your own aside from incoherent non sensical gibberish like a mentally challenged child.

Now, one of those two styles will get your message out, the other will not. Vec practices solely the latter, and because of it does more to discredict his cause than make his points. When people are presented with something crazy, in a crazy manner, by a crazy person, the whole message get's thrown out as crazy. By doing this, utilizing the methods he has chosen, he drives people away from his message and in fact, by way of that, helps Bush.

Vec is a Liar
Vec's original page was deleted after he promised to leave our glorious Nation alone and free from BS spam, but the accord lasted but a day before he returned. This brings up the question, how can Vec's claims of "spreading the truth" hold any water when he doesn't tell the truth himself? Plain and simple, Vec is a liar, so nothing he says can be taken seriously (not that is was before anyway).

To follow with this (the boards are currently down...again) will be the quoted conversation where he promised, he gave his word, that he would leave and not return. We held up our end of the bargain.

Similar Instances


This is not the first troll with a surgical detachment from reality to have this problem. Outlined below is a more in depth explanation of the concept touched on above:

"Let's say, strictly for arguments sake, that everything you've found out is 100% correct. Let's say you are able to assemble a team of researchers and sit down over the course of ten years and prove without a shadow of a doubt, with nothing but documented evidence from credible sources, that your theories of a occultic global elite with nefarious plans for humanity exist and are really in control. Let's say that you have undeniable proof of all of that.

Now, sitting on that gold mine of information, what would those global elite (GE for the sake of brevity) want you to do with it?

Let's look at the two ways you could handle that and then you can make your own decision.

[1] Present your theories clearly and open to critique. Many of the things you discovered most people have no clue about, as it's been hidden from the public mindset so well.

You know, that as soon as you start to look unprofessional people are going to assume you don't know what you're talking about, and you certainly don't want people to think that. If they do think you're just another nut, they're not going to listen.

If what you've found out is true, and you really believe it to be, the absolute best thing you can do as a member of humanity is to educate others on your findings. The responsibility to spread the truth falls on your shoulders, as you are the one in posession of it, correct?

If these things you found out are ture, people need to know about them. We are all in danger and all of us are being used as puppets for the murderous desires of a few sick people. There is in place a vast heirarchy, a monumental support network, for these people, and they control in some way shape or form every aspect of our society, everything is done in accordance with their designs. Common sense should tell one that if this were indeed true, that those designs are not for the benefit of the majority of us, hence we are all in danger.

So, being in that position, you have the opportunity to do the rest of us who have not come across the things you have a great service by shedding light on matters we are ignorant of. That would be the only way to stop "them," right?

[2] Present your ideas as a bat shit crazy child with no life who spends all his time scouring the internet (prime haven and sanctuary for the insane and warped) for esoteric theories on everything from Atlantis to extra terrestrials to why corn has become the primary ingredient in 99% of what we eat. Oh yeah, and blame everything on the Jews.

You can choose not to have any sort of organized argument, nor any type of unifying theory as to why all of these things are in place. You can choose not to do any sort of actual research for yourself, but instead rely on what others have posted on poorly made websites, taking them for their word on the informations validity.

When asked about something specific, you can choose instead of ansering any question clearly and directly, to type nonsense in some sort of cryptic attempt at pseudo poetry. Then you can sit there behind your computer screen and pat yourself on the back and smile for how clever you are.

Instead of making any valid, let alone thought provoking, points, you can choose to spam endless amounts of bullshit. Instead of offering a thought out response to criticisms of your sanity, you can just call people names in an attempt to provoke them into some childish flame war.

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Now, those are the two paths of someone interested in Conspiracy Theories. Everything is not as it seems, despite what some easily gullible people may say, so there is a certain appeal to researching non-mainstream explanations and opinions. Nothing wrong with that.

But, and this is the crux of the situation, if those things you've come across and believe to be true are in fact true, what would the GE want you to do?

What would make them happy? What could you do that would actually help them? Would it help them if you followed the first approach I outlined, and expose their doings in a way people would be receptive to? No, they would not want that at all. The more people you can show the truth to, the more people they can show the truth to, and pretty soon when enough people know, when enough people have that knowledge, the form of control the GE holds over world events and happenings will be in such a weakened state it will be ineffectual.

So, they don't want you to follow the first option, we've established that. What about the second method of explanation I outlined? Do you think they would want you to do that?

Of course they would. If you find out the truth about them, or a collection of partial truths than can be strung together to form a picture, the last thing they would want is for you to communicate these ideas in a way people will be receptive to.

They want you to seem crazy. If you seem crazy, people will dismiss what you say, they will not listen. And even better than that, and this is the shinning jewel of the whole situation, you actually help them by telling everyone your half ass conspiracy theories. When no one believes you, no one believes what you say. So, if you find out the truth about the GE, and go around telling everyone, they're not going to believe the true things you're telling them. So that means the GE can do pretty much whatever they want, and not even be that careful about it, because when people like you find out about it and tell everyone, everyone just assumes there's no way it could be possible, because it came from you.

So you see froggy, you are doing exactly what "they" want you to. You, by the methodology you choose to utilize, are helping them.

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So this is my question for you froggy, this is what I'd like to answer for me, rationally and clearly (as you've shown you at least have the ability to do), if you can.

Do you really believe all the things you spend all day yelling about in here? Do you, do you really believe it? If you do, it's your obligation to go about it in a constructive manner.

If you do not, then you are just another troll. Just one more kid who doesn't have any friends in real life so in order to amuse himself you spend every single day on the internet purposefully trying to aggravate people. If this is the case, so be it. Do everyone a favor though and limit your trolling to the CT/OT/Spam forums. It's annoying when you enter a serious political discussion and try to derail it with, "BLACKPOPE*!!11!!"

So, do you really believe what you preach? If you do it would be nice to see you going about it in a manner that reflects that. If you do not, and are just being a childish troll, keep your bullshit to yourself or in the CT forum.

Sound good? What do you think?"

Memorable Quotes

 * "maybe maybe not but i have opened up the eyes of 20k or so americans to the truth"
 * "i lost my job and am being kicked out of the place i live all for truth and tds/tcr sake"
 * "i haven't thought a sexual thought in months, i have only been thinking of how to inform the masses"
 * "i am recording this so beware"
 * "hey Socal, aegisknight is seeing all of this, so beware"
 * "i can pm the show staff Socal if you continue"
 * "Hobobob10 has been made aware of this violation of the rules"
 * "well i have god on my side"
 * "sounds like nwo to me"
 * "and she was an ultra-hot chick for the record"
 * "Socal all your shizit has been recorded in photo form, just for the recored"

Extra Insanity
For a glimpse into the mind of Vec, his photobucket account can be viewed at: http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/vector417/?start=all

Note the progressively more stupid file names and imagine what your mind must be like for you to decide to use those names.